Asha Jadeja: So the founding stake in the company is largely owned by the founding team which is Lary and Sergey. These two boys and my husband and two or three other professors. So, we are the founding stakeholders in the company and YouTube is owned by Google and now Google is being owned by a company called alphabet.
Irrfan: In retrospect did you get a perspective on your husband's death? like you know first, it must have been shock and disbelief and anger and disillusionment and grief so did you get a kind of any perspective on why this happened? did you try to understand that or is it like beyond understanding?
Asha Jadeja: So, I tried asking him. Actually that..are you there? Are you gone? Are you really just gone like this? where are you? and, to be honest I started getting some answers through certain coincidences and serendipitous things that started happening.
Irrfan: Is it proper to.. to really go into the detail like what kind of signal did you get? what exactly happened? give me an example..
Asha Jadeja: I will give you an example. So first few times that I had when I asked him, on the day that he died, actually, you know we had a lot of media. So CNN and BBC these guys, they were all trying to figure out what's going on.. Sunny, thank you for joining us.
Irrfan: She was asking, after her husband's death, "are you there?" so she was saying, "I used to get some kind of signal so I was asking exactly what signal did you get?
Asha Jadeja: So the first day, a lot of media, this and that...so I managed to push everybody out and finally at some point I went alone into his office, home office I shut the door and said," what happened?" "where did you go?" You are the algorithms guy, you figure out whatever algorithms you need to figure out because you are the computation guy. You told me nothing is random. Help me understand what this is, okay? So in a couple of days I get a dream and I said, "you better come back! it's not acceptable if I don't see you." So a couple of days later I got him in my dreams, shows up and says,"I am here." I said, "how did you do this Rajiv?" So he says, "I work my algorithms and I am back now, the only problem is there's a little bit of a software bug so I am about 4 inches taller than I was," "but I am here." And I was like "this can't be!" I mean, this is just unbelievable. What I am saying is that this helped me have a healthy respect for the unknown that we don't know what we don't know.
Irrfan: I think human beings are just this progression in evolution how the nature is trying to evolve itself that's how species from, you know one species to other is getting better and better. Human being is the only thing which can reflect on itself...
Asha Jadeja: and we're not fully evolved yet..
Irrfan continued: animals could reflect but they can not really forms language, they cannot really define it. Animals have their own way of reflecting on things but it's more refined in human beings and, our basic problem is, when we start this reflection think only gives us a sense of separation that we are separated from other things- the whole scheme of things and we can we can control it we can use it for our own gain and that's the folly.
Sunny: So do we use our faculties for all our selfish gains? Or do we use our facilities for the overall goodness of human beings and animals?
Irrfan: In the west, they have experienced consumerism so much that now they have a need to find some other some other things which makes them more wholesome.
In India, we haven't yet experienced consumerism, so we are dying to experience consumerism. Our Spirituality is dead. It's completely dead! We are just waiting for some guy to come and lay us so that we can experience consumerism.
Asha Jadeja: Irfan, my gut says that you have been having some experience; which are making you questions your yourself and who you are. Can you talk us about that? What is it, I can sense it. I think you are onto something.
Irfan: Well see, when I was very young, when I was like 6 or 7. I was told about God and I used to wait and I used to cry. I used to wait for the time for the prayer to come and I literally used to wait for the hour of the prayer and whenever I prayed, I used to cry a lot and with that conception I grew up, and suddenly in tenth class or some time I think, in that class, my teacher told me, " There is no blue sky up there." " It's just darkness up there." and suddenly everything shattered. I said, "what?!" "There is no blue sky there." And suddenly I started questioning and that questioning kept on going and going and going and there was a period when I started looking at myself as a product of so many informations, so many, you know, influences. I was operating as an automatic being my parents taught me something, my society taught me something, my fear taught me something, my insecurities working on me, and I am I am just a tool. I have been propelled by all those influences. And suddenly you realise "what are you?" What is your freedom?
Asha Jadeja: That scarcity mindset is different from the mindset of abundance
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Irrfan: Yeah this is a very important thing you know, what you're saying. There because they're experiencing consumerism for such a long time so it's their need to go beyond that and they've understood the emptiness of consumerism.
Sunny: I have lived half my life in India, half my life in the US so I disagree on that one. I find more people here who are spiritually inclined, who are
Irrfan: here? ( Here means India)
Sunny: Here - than I found in the US.
Irrfan: Here it's more of a dukaandari( trade). It's more of a greed that you know if I do this my..my future after death is secure. It's a kind of greed which is... You are driven by that greed that if I do this, my next janam( birth ) would be... taken care of
Sunny: I agree with you.
Anu Aga: I think we are in love with the idea of spritualism. I think the way things are happening in our country - where is spiritualism? Killing a person because you suspect he ate beef? Is that spiritualism? And half the some of the people say yes it's the right thing to do not allowing a Pakistani cricketer or author to come to India and saying it's an enemy territory- is that spiritualism? So, Spending lavishly on weddings, on jewellery and not bothered about people around
Jadeja: But Anu, that doesn't mean though that there are not some pockets of thinkers and philosophers in India
Anu: Hundred percent, but spirituality cannot be a monopoly of a country
Irrfan: I think you know, we have a responsibility or may be a need to make people aware that they are a product of so many influences. They have to find their own freedom.The system tries to curb you, the system tries to make you a puppet always. The religion, spirituality has been abducted by politicians everywhere , all over the world.
Anu Aga: And the religious leaders and the priesthood..
Irfan continued: Religious leaders and the politicians are the same. They are working in tandem. So the common man , the layman should be free from all these garbages and greed. It's bizzare thing that so many communities and religions exist in this world and everybody says my religion is the best. And they believe that after death they will get a, you know they will get a better spot. How, how is it possible? And people believe this.
Sunny: Spirituality for me is a way of life, how do you live? Nothing that I have an...up on you just because I am spritual. No, it is the way I live and I am , I am not harming anybody and I am impacting the world positively.
Irrfan: The thing is sometimes when you say that you should keep your attitude a positive - its just a word. Sometimes people get influenced by it but this is not something people will retain or sustain. It has to come from an understandings of your own life. Sometimes, we look for formulas. In life, there are so many mix of things, you know? You could be, "did i make my life or it was some signal..yeah was it destiny and my efforts? It's a combination of so many factors and sometimes, we look for the formulas..."OK this is it" "this will change it."
This tendency of fast food which we are getting into like , "let's get the formula!" "And this is the formula! This will change it!" " Ok we have elected a person, and he will change our life!" No it's so many factors, so many things which bring the change, you know? Sometimes, we rely on rationality and some people rely on intuition. They never understand that it's a mix of everything. It's a combination of everything which gives them a clue of what really matters.
Anu Aga: But I aslo feel and I agree with him that we might have have succedded in life and to take a full credit and say, "I did it" is wrong. Circumstances helped us. Destiny helped us. There are thousands of people who are malnourished.
Sunny: The bottom line is to whom much is given, a lot more should be expected. You have given a lot because you are supposed to do something with it. That's a spirituality, that's a way of living.
Jadeja:. And to give up everything before we die.
Sunny: You are only going to spoil your kids, you know?
Anu Aga: We are saying spirituality is the way we lead our life. and if God has been very kind, or you have made yourself something important do something for the people around you and it's not you just grumbling and passively criticizing.
Sunny: See that's where I believe that Irrfan is a great role model because he has stayed off the beaten path, and made movies which are different. He took the chance, and became the, you know, everyone loves him for that. He can be great model, to say you know what, I stayed off the beaten path. Look, I didn't have to go with the mainstream. I believed in something, I did it. You believe in it, do it. Irrfan can be a fantastic role model for the INK fellows. for whatever he wants to...
Asha Jadeja: Why is it that we don't have people like you instead of this stupid politicians, who are just corrupt, you know people who lack a vision. Why is it that good people in India are not taking charge of some situations where they can have an impact.
Irfaan: Because it's an influx of a kind of cultural invasion which is designed. Which is not happening haphazardly, which is designed. We are forced to become consumeristic, we are forced to become dead. We are forced to become non-thinkers. Everything - all the influences are trying to make as like that. See our role models. The filmy people, film stars or cricketers. What do they contribute to society? Nothing! Those were our role models and media projects that. Media does not project a person who is changing on the ground level. He is changing you know he is affecting the society. They don't project him as a role model.
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Sunny: That's why I said, if you stay of the beaten path like you have, you have, you have you are great role models to me, great time models for people of all ages.
Anu Aga: I think that nobody should be a role model, because as soon as you make someone a role model you will find something wrong with that person and bring that person down.
Admire some traits in that person. Admire but don't make people role models. We made Gandhiji role model and then we found so many false with him. We put him up on a wall and then don't practice what he says so I feel I don't ever want to be a role model. If they like something I am doing okay, but I am full of my problems. I am not a great person.
Sunny: The problem is this most people love to follow. They want to be led.
Irrfan: That's whats India is suffering from.
Sunny: This is worldwide.
Anu Aga: Let each one find something form Irrfan, something from you, something from her and decide what they want to do, because I am sure... he smokes and I don't want youngsters to start smoking. So he is not my role model and I like many things about him. You may, I am doing something... I have a temper you don't want people to, I am just saying, you have to
Sunny: Very good point, absolutely good point.
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Irrfan : I just want to say the last thing...Sometimes, we...we are audacious enough to understand God or understand reality and I think that is our biggest folly and we should not try to understand, because we cannot understand. You are a product of that, as you form a definition, definitions already changed. I think consciousness is ongoing, is evolving all the time. Once you look at it it's already changed. The Known and unknown have a similar portion. If you know this much, the unknown is this much if you know this much, the unknown becomes that much. So it is constantly changing. Sometimes we have this audacity to understand reality. That's the energy which has created you. You cannot look back at it and understand it when you look back it is gone somewhere else. And you should be easy with that uncertainty and the unknowable and we have this sense of self, being, that "We". We are nothing. I think maybe the consciousness is experiencing itself through us.
Anu Aga: I love the three words
Our stay on this earth is short
Our roles, dispensable. And our impact inconsequential. If we internalize that we will not have a huge ego.
(P.S. - This talk is shoot by Anand Gandhi and his team. All the copyright is owned by him. I only publish this content here for the welfare of human beings. I understand that the ideas which are expressed by all persons here are full of intellectuality. And Yes When some great man says, Knowledge is Power, So Knowledge should be shared. For the video of this conversation, go to this link https://youtu.be/ta1hIFernqQ )
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